User talk:Llonydd

Removed tag

Could you please explain why you removed the citations needed tag I placed on the Khwarshi language page? As it stands now, the vowels and consonants sections are completely lacking in citations. These must be added to establish verifiability of the content. --JorisvS (talk) 17:11, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm new to this. I thought it would be enough to cite the source in the introduction of the description of the phonology, as the description of the phonology includes both the vowels and consonants. Would it be better, if the source was made a "general reference" in the bottom, so that I don't need to cite everything - as it is from the same source anyway... -- Llonydd (talk) 17:14, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, no hard feelings for being new. It´s okay to cite your source once when this source is used in the entire section. However, as it stands now, it is not made clear that this is the case. At the moment it appears that the source is only used for the preceding paragraph (or sentence). A bit of simple rephrasing would then do the trick. I must say I don´t like general references very much, as the source of specific information in the text would then be unclear.

Do you have that Grammar of Khwarshi book? It would then be great if you could add something about the grammar proper. Furthermore, the sentence ″Gemination is present in Khwarshi.″ is rather vague. It should be nice if (you) could specify what this really means, e.g. what consonants can be geminated and the like. --JorisvS (talk) 17:33, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for you answer! I understand what you are saying, but I still find it hard to rephrase it like you say. In general, when writing Wikipedia articles, I prefer only to cite works in the notes, and not in the text itself, so I can't really think of a way of doing it I'm afraid. And yes, I'm in possession of the book, and I've been planning to do some work on the article, including the things you mentioned. I will do it in the very near future! -- Llonydd (talk) 19:12, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I´ll do the rephrasing for you, no problem. You may want to read Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Inline_citations and Wikipedia:Verifiability, maybe it´ll get a bit clearer why we cite sources inline (and why I dislike general references). If you don´t know how to make the reference show up like everywhere, don´t worry about it, we (other Wikipedians) can do that for you. In-line you just put the author name, year of publication and page number between brackets and we´ll do the rest for you.--JorisvS (talk) 19:28, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again. I will look at it all once I get some time on my hands and before I make a contribution again. -- Llonydd (talk) 19:34, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You might want to hear that already posted a reply on your question on my talk page;). --JorisvS (talk) 18:43, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Was the link I added to the Grammar of Khwarshi ref the same you're using? --JorisvS (talk) 09:58, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's the one. I would have added a link myself, but I couldn't remember where I had found it, so thank you. I saw you had added some other papers as well, great! -- Llonydd (talk) 11:05, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A few secs of googling and I found them, so, my pleasure. --JorisvS (talk) 12:40, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

/tʷ/ in Khwarshi

Hello again. Have you seen in Khalilova's thesis that though she says there is no /tʷ/ phoneme in Khwarshi (page 17), she immediately gives a minimal pair on page 18 (/etʷa/ ‘fly’, /eta/ ‘touch’)? --JorisvS (talk) 21:38, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, I hadn't seen that before, but I now see you are right. I find it a bit odd though, as she says, in the same section on labialized consonants, that "[t]he labialized consonants can be found among dental consonants, but there are no instances of a labialized dental non-ejective /t/" and yet she gives the example you mentioned. The only instances of /tʷ/ I have been able to find is that in /etʷa/ and that in the verb-stem /etʷ-/ (also, "fly"), on page 181, so it seems like that's the only word having the sound in all of her paper. Perhaps we shouldn't include the sound - I'm not sure? We could also choose to say that it's unclear whether the sound is present or not. -- Llonydd (talk)

Yes, well, I wasn't really sure what to make of it, so I thought I'd talk to you first. Anyways, in the phonology table on the Archi page I included all the sounds I could find and colored the more 'special' cases. It is an option to include a /tʷ/ and then say that Khalilova didn't include this sound in her table and that it only appears in one stem in her entire thesis. After all, that is the truth. --JorisvS (talk) 13:16, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly, I believe that would be the best way to do it! -- Llonydd (talk) 19:43, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Llonydd. I remember that you have been quite active on the Uyghur language article, and if you're interested in Uyghur issues I'd like to invite you to offer comments or suggestions on the featured article review of July 2009 Ürümqi riots, located here. Thanks, rʨanaɢ (talk) 15:38, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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